tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2556965477270279581.post1922910821671645002..comments2024-03-25T19:59:20.840-07:00Comments on Cavegirl's Game Stuff: Elves, Gender, Why am I writing this?Cavegirlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03853637517886592288noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2556965477270279581.post-47540950650550843402018-03-27T14:30:03.802-07:002018-03-27T14:30:03.802-07:00I can see your point. We're playing a game. ...I can see your point. We're playing a game. But I like games with complications. So, just like a dwarf/elf racial animosity is played as humor or as a complication (we're speaking to the dwarf king so let's not have the elven bard be the face here, etc.) I've considered the drow matriarchy to be additional set dressing (this is how the weird is weird) and complication.<br /><br />This could be my privilege talking. I've had some minor discrimination for gender and sexuality issues, but I mostly pass as stale, male and pale.redbeardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04600098550347299095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2556965477270279581.post-89226963428537516922018-03-22T09:00:40.433-07:002018-03-22T09:00:40.433-07:00If the social structures of hyenas became a releva...If the social structures of hyenas became a relevant plot point in my games for some reason, then it would likely be because I wanted to explore ideas around gender and dominance in my games. (which I don't).<br />Likewise, a society segregated by gender, with one gender being favoured by their god and in a position of total dominance... that also introduces ideas of gender-based power to my game, and that's not a theme I'm particularly interested in doing things with.<br />The drow have a lot of potential as creepy underground spider-cultists, I think, but tbh I can get that by using a spider cult (most of the settings I write end up with a spider cult in them, it seems).<br />If I wanted to be playing a game where gender and identity and the structures of gender-based social dominance are explored then I have Monsterhearts which is specifically set up for that. D&D, meanwhile, shines where it's about a group of treasure-hunters amorally looting the shit out of somewhere dangerous, and falls apart when it starts trying to be Relevant. Cavegirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03853637517886592288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2556965477270279581.post-59848839869440893642018-03-22T05:23:47.738-07:002018-03-22T05:23:47.738-07:00I really don't see how it is genderpolitics. A...I really don't see how it is genderpolitics. Are spotted hyena also genderpolitics?thecuddlesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14707013340666715553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2556965477270279581.post-33287416682716660002018-03-22T05:18:00.843-07:002018-03-22T05:18:00.843-07:00There are quite a lot of people who dislike the ma...There are quite a lot of people who dislike the matriarchy thing, actually.<br /><br />In _my_ campaigns, drow leaders can be of either gender. I'm more interested in their cool powers and clever tactics than genderpolitics.Ynas Midgardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14972628887096890642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2556965477270279581.post-21920363343093635922018-03-22T05:13:04.418-07:002018-03-22T05:13:04.418-07:00Wait, are you saying your position is that you are...Wait, are you saying your position is that you are against the matriarchy as a whole? Again, Drow society as a matriarchy has been around for quite some time, well before 5e for sure.thecuddlesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14707013340666715553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2556965477270279581.post-59035048870488988252018-03-21T23:08:09.201-07:002018-03-21T23:08:09.201-07:00Plus, you know, if I wanted to be exploring that s...Plus, you know, if I wanted to be exploring that sort of thing in my games, there are much better games for it (see: monsterhearts, which does it well) rather than D&D which is basically about treasure-hunting.Cavegirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03853637517886592288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2556965477270279581.post-90218868044030487892018-03-21T23:06:25.363-07:002018-03-21T23:06:25.363-07:00that's kind of my position, yeah.
Like if you...that's kind of my position, yeah. <br />Like if you want to put gender politics in your games fair enough but I'd rather not. <br />I like my villains flamboyantly evil and twirling their moustaches while charging their doom lazer, rather than an analogy to real-life issues.Cavegirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03853637517886592288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2556965477270279581.post-78336596708781698212018-03-21T21:47:52.827-07:002018-03-21T21:47:52.827-07:00On point 2b, I might be misreading it but you soun...On point 2b, I might be misreading it but you sound like you are against the concept of Drow having a Matriarchy. Haven't they had such a thing in the lore for a long time, save for the persecuting aspect? I apologize if I am incorrect in my assumption of what you are saying with 2b, I just woke up.thecuddlesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14707013340666715553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2556965477270279581.post-51339916210651708582018-03-21T13:53:38.093-07:002018-03-21T13:53:38.093-07:00So yeah, this is totally cool is what I mean :)So yeah, this is totally cool is what I mean :)Wizard Lizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07976996808553118026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2556965477270279581.post-76980564773130375632018-03-21T13:53:20.985-07:002018-03-21T13:53:20.985-07:00I don't know if that's because I'm luc...I don't know if that's because I'm luckily sheltered from the world by playing with friends or something, but I've never had any trouble with anyone regarding whatever sexual _thing_ in the game, be it androgynous characters, trans characters, hermaphrodites, playing as a sex/gender that's not one's own, etc.<br /><br />It's never been discussed or considered to be an issue in my circles.Wizard Lizardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07976996808553118026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2556965477270279581.post-22410872498795380762018-03-21T10:23:42.039-07:002018-03-21T10:23:42.039-07:00yay!
all my rpg groups are absolutely dripping in ...yay!<br />all my rpg groups are absolutely dripping in queer content because they're full of queer people and honestly it'd be weird if it /didn't/ come up.<br />But, like, it's not a ~thing~. These two vampires are having a forbidden romance (because it's VtM), but the fact that it's gay is far less interesting than the fact that one's a filthy tremere.Cavegirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03853637517886592288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2556965477270279581.post-80054463636878097062018-03-21T10:21:09.280-07:002018-03-21T10:21:09.280-07:00I'm with you on most of this. I guess it's...I'm with you on most of this. I guess it's nice to know that WoTC is at least trying to recognize gender fluidity as an "official" option in the game, but still... Did we need that? No. May some 14 year old queer kid need that? I could see it happening.<br /><br />The reaction I wrote at the time was that it reminded me a lot of people getting upset about the last Star Wars film. 40 year old nerds kvetching about how it "ruined" Star Wars for them. I was flabbergasted. In my heart of hearts I was screaming, "You are not the target audience for this! You are no longer relevant to Disney! This is for the kids, you morons!" Sometimes it's just fine not to be the target audience. Maybe someone else benefits. <br /><br />I don't mean this as a criticism of your post, but just wanted to share that.<br /><br />Oh, and I read a post you wrote, and you seem nice, so I just followed you.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00310118896949396274noreply@blogger.com